The PRU Crew decided to be indecisive!
Two favorites for you to enjoy -- courtesy of our PRU tech who's all about being in a water sort of mood this week, but can't decide between bluesy gospel or folksy religious!
Whatever state you're in, keep it fresh! Have a good weekend!
April 24, 2009
Wade In The Water Down In The River!
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I love this blog! Great selections!
I like the first video better. I've never liked the twangy stuff.
I enjoyed both videos, especially those amazing icebergs. And both tunes seem to suggest that everyone in Park Ridge, ‘white-shirts’ and regular shirts, can get water in their basements. Flooding unites us all. Am I reading too much into this?
Couldn't make a decision?
What are you doing? Auditioning to be on the city council? ;)
I love your weekend posts!
Just a quick note to the naysayer..about what is in the air that we are breathing from the low flying jet aircraft:
" The undeniable environmental and health impacts exist from the aviation emissions. More than 200 compounds including 147 VOC's, 15 carbonyl compounds,15 PAH's and 4 criteria pollutants including: CO,SO2,NOx,and PM10 and known to be present in petroleum combustion based jet engines."
" Judging from the FAA and ICAO's own data on aviation emissions, a human health risk is present.
" Aviation emissions ARE cancer-causing and must be regulated, studied,and mitigated in order to protect the health of the underlying communities and the environment."
" For the US FAA to completely ignore the known impacts of Aviation Jet Emissions, thus putting an entire community at risk for health crisis is totally inexcusable".
Source: www.ourairspace.org
We also thank Ald. Wsol for taking a stand in fighting for the community ( see letter sent to Gov. Quinn's office ).
Thank you!
Areco
Park Ridge Chapter
www.areco.org
Interesting and entertaining Q&A about low flying planes:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1117/can-i-declare-a-no-flight-zone-over-my-house
The music is SO appropriate for our soggy Saturday...loved both. Thanks PRU for giving us a place to speak out and for sorting out our differences. I have a few things on my mind that I'd like to air...if it's O.K. Here goes.
Saturday was a record day in the noise dept. as well as the water dept. I was jarred awake at the usual 6:00 a.m. and continued to be blasted by planes ALL DAY. I tried to go to bed at 12:30 a.m. STILL droning of planes.
I know, I know many will answer my entry with the usual.......you are a spoiled fool....nothing can be done.....sorry for you, BUT.....the planes are here get over it, or get out, or my personal favorite...remember this one? It went something like this...Sorry for you, good luck with the fight, but "I will fight with every fiber of my being" against tax dollars being spent to help you... more get over it, or get out.
It got me to thinking about a house divided.
Don't like the fact that you bought a house on a flood plain? I'm dry, get over it or get out.
Don't like the pot holes? I can drive on other streets. Get over it, or get out. Don't like the noise of a highway behind your lovely new townhouse? I can't hear it. Get over it, or get out. Don't like the way PADS was handled? I don't live near the church. I don't have kids in grade school. Get over it, or get out. Have a problem with the views of some priests in town? I don't. Get over it, or get out. I see new curbs being put in around town. Don't like your curbs? They don't benefit me so get over it, or get out. Don't like lights at Maine South? They don't shine in my house. Get over it, or get out. Don't like Republicans in this town? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the Democrats sliding in? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the stench of jet fuel? Get over it, or get out. Don't like yellow goop on you lawn? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the value of your home reduced, or eliminated? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the tax and spend attitude? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the loss of everything you have worked a lifetime to build? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the treatment of the ONCC? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the abuse by Daley and the FAA? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the "It's a local problem" of Mr. DEAF Dick Durbin? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the inaction of Mr. Roskum? Get over it, or get out. Have a problem with Ms. Mulligan? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the meaningless form letters of Ms. Shakowsky? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the rude, arrogance of the Brian Gilligan and Ms. Mulder of the ONCC? Get over it, or get out. Don't like the casino, or it's location? Get over it, or get out.
I say as long as we can't, or won't, support the needs that are for the good of the whole, we should all do what is best for our own little neighborhood. We should all just get over IT, whatever IT is, or get out.
If we follow this simple little plan,Daley can bulldoze Park Ridge and make it a nice parking lot for the IOC visitors. Please don't reply with get over it, or get out....I'm not going anywhere!!!!! Now I'm going to write yet another letter to Durbin as I have been doing almost daily for the past five months. I will point out that the planes weren't a LOCAL problem when he supported the OMP. I will point out the planes weren't a LOCAL problem whe he was congratulated by the FAA for his supurb support of the OMP. I will further point out that the planes weren't a LOCAL problem when he was instrumental in lifting the flight cap at O'Hare. I'll start my letter the usual way....Dear DICK....turn up the hearing aide....get over it, quit patting yourself on the back for visiting the folks on the South side, find the guts to visit the North siders, loose the "I understand your concerns, BUT" form letters, or GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!
11:13--your bitching about Daley only requires one response..GET OVER IT.
I agree with the gypsy. and if I were in Durbin's office I wouldn'teven bother reading your ranting letters. Perhaps if they came from someone who stated facts and left emotions and drama behind, it would be different.
You are getting nowhere with your pages and pages of letters that seemingly come from a bitter person, as I assume they are similar to your extremely long posts. If you want someone to read your information, gather your thoughts into some educated statements and keep it short.
I guarantee you that they do not read letters that are 4 pages long, no matter what issue you are concerned about. Especially if you write to them "every day for the past five months." They probably put your letters in an FBI file and do not even give them another glance.
If you want to do something good, act rationally, follow the chain of command, and speak to an audience you can get to. But as of right now, you have lost your audience completely and are wasting your time.
Enjoy your flooding!
Get over it!
April 26, 2009 11:13 AM said...
"Saturday was a record day in the noise dept. as well as the water dept. I was jarred awake at the usual 6:00 a.m. and continued to be blasted by planes ALL DAY. I tried to go to bed at 12:30 a.m. STILL droning of planes.", and on and on and on.
I won't tell you to get out because I know you will get over it and if you don't then it is up to you to decide if you want to get out. You will probably get used to the noise like residents in other areas of Park Ridge have done but good luck selling your home in this economy if you decide to get out.
You say Saturday was a record noise day and you were woken up at 6am? Then you tried to go to sleep at mignight but still got the droning of planes?
Do you live in Wood Dale or Bensenville? Do you have your days confused?
I have to ask because the flight tracker at:
http://www4.passur.com/ord.html
makes it look like you're talking out of your ass.
The flight tracker wasn't on Belle Plain evidentally. It was inhumane. If you got up off your butt and actually spent some time around Belle Plain instead of on flight tracker, you might be better informed about the real impact we are dealing with. The point is either we stand and support issues together, or each area should be temporarily taxed in order to fix the individual problem...like flooding on a flood plain. We got the message that you are not interested in helping us so while we feel for you, I'm afraid you'll have to do the best you can on your own. That's the way you want it.
April 26, 2009 5:08 PM said...
"The flight tracker wasn't on Belle Plain evidentally" and more stupid things than I care to respond to.
ALL departures and arrivals are tracked.
I thought you could be confused in your days but I think now you are just a drama queen or a liar, one of the two.
Exactly 24 hours ago not a signle flight is shown as going over Belle Plaine. I don't have to go sit on Belle Plaine to see whether flights are going over or not.
I understand the impact of jet noise since I live in a part of town that used to get ALL of the air traffic you are now getting some of the time.
My basement is dry as a bone and hasn't flooded once. I'll vote to spend my taxes on my neighbors who get flooded regularly with sewer back up instead of on stupid things like loser lawsuits over jet noise for self absorbed idiots like you who lie about the situation.
Anyone know the exact date Schmidt will be sworn in?
Should be soon.
Dave Schmidt will be sworn in on Monday, May 4th at the City Council meeting starting at 7:30 PM in Council Chambers in City Hall!!!!!!!!! I can't wait!
anon@5:08:
Again, I am sympathetic to your cause but as previously explained, your flood plain example is just not accurate. You can keep repeating it as often as you like (which seems to be a great deal) but it still does not hold water - pardon the pun.
May 4 at City Council is swearing-in.
Anon@11:13: I'm not gonna tell you to "get out" or "get over it" but your multiple comments have not all had the universal "get out" responses...you are lumping so many things in with that and possibly not understanding or just ignoring why some have that response regarding the airplane issue...
First, (and Im sure you've heard it before) there has been an airport there for a long long time and even if the planes werent over your house before, there were never any guarantees. I recently was talking to someone who lives on Greenwood (between Oakton and Dempster) and commented how when they moved in long ago, it was a quieter 2-lane road. It is of course a 4-lane main thoroughfare now and Im sure they werent too happy about it. AND Im betting that their property values, resale value, whatever you want to call it took a nosedive.
But the issue many take with your comments isnt whether or not the planes are over your house but rather the "why now?" and "what do you want done?" parts of your stance
Why Now? I havent heard it lately but he first of the many arguments was the "safety hazard" presented by the planes. Things like "Think of the children", "high probability impact zone", and "Not if, but when" were thrown about. But these were never new things, only new to some areas.
Now it's the "environmental impact" and "yellow goop" on my lawn...but all an attempt to make old conditions into "new" problems with newfound urgency. Like these conditions werent around before last fall??? The real "why now" is why did you wait until the planes were overhead before speaking up "for the good of the whole community"? (oddly enough that is exactly what was done on the PADS issue [setting some ground rules before they just moved in]...and some didnt like that...but it was the correct approach.)
That leads to the bigger question "what do you want done?"...
Do you want the flight limits reinstated? Maybe some funds for sound insulation for the schools or other financial restitution? Then fine...those are attainable goals worthy of support even by those not in your area. But how far does it go? I still hear conversations with some thinking they {the OHare, Chicago, Daley, FAA they) should stop use of the new runway. And this is where some (maybe not you specifically) start to lose support since most can see that "the planes are [most definitely] here..." and any efforts for that goal is nothing short of tilting at windmills...
and given the state of the city's finances, we cant just be throwing good money after bad for something like that...this is where some people dont want to spend the tax dollars...
And then you go on to criticize Dick for it not being a LOCAL problem before, but it wasnt "for the good of the whole" until it came to your backyard.
So continue to write and make yourself heard but dont be surprised when you dont get support from "the whole" IF your goals are unrealistic...
and maybe start to address things like the next new runway (9/27C) BEFORE it is built and something can realistically be done about it...it may be a little too late on the casino but you still have time on the IOC parking lot...
Hey..good morning Park Ridge!
Yes....all you happy people!
I wonder if Howie is going to accept that free trip to Mexico - now?
:(
10:45--it's useless to try to rationalize the thoughts of that person. He just wants to rant. He doesn't want to be a part of the solution.
Re: Budget.
So if I don't see it, it dosen't matter? We want to give money to non for prift groups who can sustaine themselves thorugh private donations but we don't want to pay our City Police, Fire and other workers???
Not too mention the PD went through a huge investigation last year where it is obvious they need more training... but lets give them less.
I say less flowers, less the weekend clean up
I guess you are all correct. I am a loser.
This will be my last post, ever. My last letter to anyone, ever.
You have won. Now I must go. It has been a cruel world.
God Bles you all.
buh bye
[he just wants attention, boys and girls...]
I'm telling the truth. Saturday was unbeleivable. Last night was awful. The planes were taking off. I don't know what flight tracker shows. The flights were around all day Saturday and Sunday night was bad too.
If there is someone out there who can back me up....I'd like to hear from you.
What do I want? How about some support! How about at least writing a protest letter, or making a call. You want us to care about your issues, but care nothing for ours.
You folks choose to insult us with get used to it. Durbin is a slug! He supported the expansion. Now that the complaints are coming in, he blows you off with "it's a local issue".
You may have heard planes as I did living in a community closer to O'Hare. THIS IS WORSE!!!!!!
The take off noise and vibration are not described by flight tracker!
I'm NOT telling lies. I'm NOT making up what went on over the week end!!!!
Anyone who purchased a home in Park Ridge after 1971 (and before the newest runway opened) had the advantage of knowing where the O’Hare traffic was and for the most part, what the impact to them would be. If you chose to buy a house where the planes were low, loud, and frequent, then chances are you weren’t bothered by the noise or the planes. Some reasons for this could be: you like planes and you like to watch them, you’re not the outdoor type, you have a newer home and like air conditioning so you can’t hear them anyway, you’re not home much so the noise doesn’t bother you, or maybe you even like more noise. Yes, everyone who bought a house in Park Ridge knows O’Hare is/was there. All of Park Ridge has air traffic to some extent. People buy houses for what they are at the time they buy them and for what they believe they have the potential to be. To believe that people should have predicted how their lives would be affected is unreasonable (and insensitive). I believe that the elected officials in the Park Ridge government did not do their job in monitoring what was going on at O’Hare and keeping their community informed. It seems to me that there could have been some effort to advocate for the citizens of our community. They could have advocated for the reinstatement of flight caps, runway/flight stream restrictions, more accurate noise parameters, or in the least made sure all our schools were sound proofed before the runway was opened. More changes are coming and I hope that the new mayor will make it a priority to stay informed, inform his public and protect our quality of life here in Park Ridge. I gave him my vote with hopes that he will.
The airport existed long before 1971 Anon and no it's not unreasonable to expect somebody to be wise about their choice in buying homes so you have nobody to blame but yourself.
MIKEa.m. The airport existed, but the runway DID NOT!!!!! I don't know what flight tracker is showing. Maybe it doesn't show the freight flights. The take off is MUCH worse than the landings. Why can't you believe us when we tell you it goes on well past ten and well before six? Today it was 5:30 and we have had them at 3:00. We are not just getting a share.....according to all the quieter areas, we are getting a lot more than a share. I know, you'll say too bad for you. Thanks! So remind me, why should I support tax dollars for flood relief? The flood problem was there BEFORE many bought those homes.
Mike:
First of all you are correct. Homeowners made a decision to buy and therefore have some of the blame. Second of all, I guess we have a different definition of what is reasonable.
If someone bought a home in the 80's in PR (prior to any discussion of newrunway or location), flight noise may have been a part of their decision (along with many other things). As the prior poster stated, there has been plane noise in PR since the airport opened but a person may have decided avoid buying a home directly under a landing path.
Your answer is simplistic and, quite frankly stupid. How could a person who bought a home prior to any discussion of a new runway reasonably know that 20 years later he was going to be in a landing path? What data even existed on which they could reasonably make their wise choice? If they would have known that 20 years later there was going to be a runway right over their house they would not have bought the house.
My situation is very different. This will be my fifth summer in PR. I am so glad I moved here for so many reasons. Guess what? I never even considered looking at flight patterns. Five years ago there was information out there on where the new runway would be and I never even thought to look. So unlike ther person/people I discussed above, I bear a huge part of the blame.
No my responses are quite reasonable.
Doesn't matter what you think it doesn't change the fact you moved here long after O'Hare was built and this is not the first time we've had new runways built.
Matter of fact when it opened in 1955 it was smaller than it is today and went through 1 expansion in the early 60's.
With that being said 1 should realize that for whatever reasons things like air traffic increases over time and for the most part the airports need to keep up with the demand and they're not gonna stop expanding or adding more flights just becuase a bunch of residents that live near an airfield are annoyed with the noise.
What do you expect everyone to do?
Stop flying planes and inconveinence passengers just becuase of this? And they're certainly not gonna stop flying planes overe your neighborhood just because you can't handle it.
You're most likely are fighting a loosing battle so you might as well give it up.
PR residents weren't able to stop it now and they're not gonna stop it now.
Mike makes a good point, there are benefits for airport expansion and new air traffic patterns even when there are annoyances or even severe annoyances to some people. Not so with flooding. There aren't any upsides to flooding. That's where the comparison breaks down.
I didn't say anything about benefits.
Mike, airport expansion to meet demand and not inconvenience passengers that are the things you did say are benefits to airline customers and surrounding businesses and the local economy. It is also a benefit now to people who have less noise over their houses. You did not talk directly about any benefits but those are implied benefits at least.
Mike:
You use the same argument of the extreme that most politicians do. I have heard not one person demand that they close that runway. So your choices are either just live with it or people stop flying. There is nothing in between??? What about compromise? What about working toward spreading the flights around? Nope. It's all or nothing right.
Mike's just another uneducated ranter. There are many other options, like not flying so low over residential neighborhoods, using other runways.
Ignore the bitter, ugly ranters. They just like to bitch and moan, and aren't active, doing anything to improve their community.
You must be out of tune with the world.
We're not the only ones with air noise.
Yes - There are some benefits in seeing some commerce projects improve over time. But with improvement comes change.
The taking over of land in and around any major airport can become difficult.
Air space is another form of take over. When your city's air cap becomes a major route or route(s)
then it's time to step up to the plate and get relief.
I agree that there are communities getting hit hard with over flights - at all hours but approving sound proofing is not the response we need.
747's at 3AM over your home will still sound the same!!
Sharing the burden of progress should not mean where people are dying at the rate of 400 per year
from cancer causing related illnesses.
Facts and facts and the USG does not want you to know that.
For the FAA to change out air routes without conducting the proper air, noise and other studies - is also wrong.
Suggest that you contact the office of the Inspector General
for the US Dept of Transportation and let them know that there is NO such study on file involving the city of PR.
Also contact the US EPA and demand that a Federal air study be completed. Unless you enjoy the foul smelling air !
The FAA has changed its air routes,
lowered its glide path levels and more.
Air Space Redesign!
Inspector General
US Dept of Transportation
oig.dot.gov@hotlines.com
Thank you and please - lets all work together here!
See you all on May 4th 7pm @ 505!!
Welcome in our new Mayor!!
Mike:
Wonderful!! Great reply. I feel so much better.
By your logic I should have voted for Frimark. After all, we are not the only city with a budget that is trash. We are not the only city who floods. We are not the only city considering spending huge amounts of tax payer money on projects we currently can't afford.
At times like these, I fall back on the lessons of 30+ years ago thanks to my parents. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Eveb occur to you gypsy that the have to fly in a certain alltitude in oder to land?
Do you expect when they take off or land they go up and down like a rocket?
I can imagine before comming in for a landing, the plane is at the alltitude when you the exhast from the plane and then it comes down pointing towards the ground and then streightens out just at the right time for it to land.
Mike---there are a MULTITUDE of studies in both Connecticut and California where the planes are descending at a different rate in order to safe on noise pollution.
Once again, your uneducated comments are just spewing illogical information. Do some research first. Attend the meetings, be a part of your community. Get active. You will LEARN SOMETHING.
Anon at 12:09 on April 27th, I can back you up; partially...I have no idea about flight tracker, nor do I know of any other way to figure out when planes do or do not land and take off from OHare, but....the last 2 weekends I have been at Maine South games. The planes are unbelievable! If you get a minute or two in between, that's about it. They were constant, low and very loud.
I hate the idea of the city throwing more money at a commission, especially since I do agree that the new runway will not be closed...too much money went into it. Perhaps flight reductions? Initially it sounds like the city council should discuss available options with the FAA.
The planes were stil landing at 10 pm on Sunday and I believe later than also.
Mike will not recognize this because of what his computer told him to think. Any other information will not compute for Mike.
Mike's a jerk.
No, they won't close the new runway, however there should still be discussion and attempts to find ways to lessen some of the negative impact. We should also not forget that there are more runways to come. http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/02/city-okd-to-spend-182-million-for-ohare-project.html It is important to stay informed about what is going on. The City of Chicago cannot be counted on or trusted to release reliable information. The city of Park Ridge must make sure their voice is heard. We will never know what improvements we can secure if we don't at least try to get some.
Elk Grove Village just resigned from SOC, which apparently reduces SOC membership to just Bensenville, and then probably only until the new mayor replaces Geils. Mayor Johnson and EGV just declared victory and walked away.
I don't know who you are Mike but your information is not wrong. Flight tracker does not record all flights-period. There is no record on flight tracker of the very loud government plane landing at ORD on President's Day at about 3:15 pm. It was a military plane and I checked later in the week- 1,030 planes landed at ORD that day-that military flight was not listed.
I bet the plane landing at ORD at 5:05 am yesterday was not on it either. It was very low and very loud-was that Biden's plane? At that hour of the morning it was a bid too dark to make out the markings on the tail. There was also a plane at 5:24 am yesterday. The planes were also landing well after 10 pm on Sunday-as they do many nights. I have called 800-435-9569 over and over and over and will continue to do so.
Anyone living from Touhy to Higgins and Canfield to Dee Road can attest to the planes and the noise. Mike-we are sick of the crap you and the other "get used to it-its your own fault" people post here. Get your head out of your ass and off the computer and step outside in this neighborhood. We have lost the use and enjoyment of the homes we live in-many long before talk of expansion and new runways.
And to think nearly all the elected officials-Obama, Durbin, Schakowsky, Frimark and even Schmidt did nothing is beyond maddening. They all gave into Daley and the threats from USG and FAA. They could have tried to compromise. Hell-they could have tried to pay attention. But no-we were sacrificed for what greater good.
If our elected officials do not try to come up with some remedy like limiting aircraft size, reinstating flight caps, changing the height of the glide path on approach, then we should be compensated. Noise abate the schools NOW. Give us property tax relief NOW, give us home improvements to try to dim some of the noise. Do something. But right now no one is doing anything.
I agree with an earlier post. Some of you want us to support your causes but you are unable to even listen to this issue. So for flooding-why spend millions on this. We knowingly bought our homes on a flood plane. Why spend my tax dollars to help some homeowners who chose to put in a
10' deep basement in a house on a flood plane. They should just get used to flooding.
2:14--please know that Frimark "did nothing" about the airport noise and claimed that he didn't know about it because he never attended ANY of the meetings. Most of the communities around us KNEW that the planes were going to be flying over PR. We were the ones in the dark.
If the mayor or a member of the City Council stood up at a meeting a year or more ago and said "I just went to a Noise Commission meeting and learned that there is a new runway opening over Park Ridge," we would have NOTICED that. But no one ever did because no one ever went to the meetings because Frimark chose to ignore the issue.
It's all overwith now and we are moving on to a new City govt with Schmidt. What a mess he is inheriting. Good riddance, Howie.
Anonymous 3:27,
>>If the mayor or a member of the City Council stood up at a meeting a year or more ago and said "I just went to a Noise Commission meeting and learned that there is a new runway opening over Park Ridge," we would have NOTICED that.<<
Really. wow. just wow.
I'm in the new flight path. My house never floods. Screw the flooders. They should get used to it.
I guess if your house floods and is in the new flight path, your double screwed. Good luck getting your money out of your house when you are ready to move to AZ.
If you bought your house before they built the Kennedy and ORD, then it's your own stupid fault for not considering growth plans before you bought your house, dummy. Screw you too.
Everyone in this town can get screwed and stop whining. Get used to it or set your house on fire. Unless it's flooded, then it might not burn so well cause it will be quite humid in the house and the wood will be moist so it will probably smoke real good but not burn to the ground.
NOW GET SREWED!!!
Well gypsy If the planes don't have to fly as low as they do then you should of mentioned the study in the first place.
That's about the only thing that can be done.
The only other thing I can think of is since half of the traffic is not more are tranfer flights and perhaps some of that could be deverted to Milwaukke or St. Louis.
I mentioned that once and I was told that's not possible either.
And to Anon 1:30 PM The way I see it the one who called one a jerk is a jerk him or herself.
I may not be right with all I'm saying and I also understand that they wanted another expansion for years and there were enough people that stopped it. But it amazes me that they were sucessful with that.
Especially with we see all 3 runways on this side of the airport being used.
Also another thing to consider is they the weather affects what runways are used for landing and taking off. So you really can't say don't fly over my area period or at certain times a day becuase of this.
I admit I'm not totally knoweledgeable on aviation but I've heard various things down through the years which is partly why I feel most of the anger about these things while understandable, it's just useless to rant about it when there's enough people for the arlines to fly from one place to another.
Mike:
I am the one who explained your Milwaukee and St. Louis idea would not workin a previous post.
Without going through the whole hub and spoke explaination again, (1)what the hell would Milwaukee do if tomorrow we sent them 200 flights a day? Do they have the runways and staff to handle it?? What about gates?? (2) If we sent a flight to Milwaukee do we even know if there will be a plane there to take a traveler to a different destination? All those connections are currently at Ohare. (3) What would it cost an already crippled airline industry to make this change? They do not even have the staff or equipment in Milwaukee to handle it. Also the airlines build maintainance facilities at large airports like Ohare. Does Milwaukee have the ability to handle this?
Basically you are looking at an extremely complicated process. You can't just say send the plain to Milwaukee with out making a bunch of other changes.
Anon at 3:27-I believe Frimark attended one meeting of the ONCC. He used Bach as his emissary. But I believe that Schmidt did not ask at a city council meeting for an update on ORD issues-guess it does not affect the country club area he lives he so he did not care. But he could of asked and he should have asked-as should Ryan and Carey and DiPietro and Allegretti and Wsol. They all chose to ignore the ORD issue. Now we are screwed and can blame in part the policitians. Now they-along with the PR residents affected-need to find a way to get some remedy for the crappy situation we are in.
4:51--"I believe that Schmidt did not ask at a city council meeting for an update on ORD issues"
are you KIDDING?
well, none of them asked what the chances are of anyone getting Swine Flu, or if we were going to have another rainy season.
More irrational comments.
Gypsy:
I have to own up to the fact that I completely missed the whole runway thing. Hell, I bought a house here about 5 years ago when I am sure there was all kinds of information available on the new runway and I never even thought to look.
Having admitted my stupidity, I cannot give a pass to the alderman . Of course it is the Mayors responsibility and Frimark completely botched it, but it is amazing to me that there was virtually no discussion about the runway at any meetings. Not even a "Gee Wiz, what is going on over at the airport? How is this going to cause problems for PR?" What ever their titles, these are all elected officials responsible for looking out for the best interest of PR. That does not mean I will agree with everything they do but for god sake don't just ignore things.
In my analysis of who vote for the pluses were far more than the minuses for Schmidt but this was certainly a minus.
I called the FAA at Great Lakes....nice guy
He said they KNEW last week end was horendous...it all depends on WIND I guess the wind never blew anywhere else and now the WIND just happens to be perfect over Pk. Ridge. What happened to all the abatement money that has AKREADY been spent? Do those homes that no longer need the windows return them? WHY ARE THEY QUIETER NOW? WHY are the air traffic controlers just lining planes up and dumping on us? Is it just easier than spreading them over ALL areas? FLOODERS......stop whining and take care of your own mess. Pk. Ridge Pt......pay for your own wall. We can't even get folks to lick a stamp in order to express outrage for us!!!!!! We haven't ASKED for MONEY, just some support with letters and calls to Durbin, Schakowsdy, and Katowsky. Somebody PLEASE get Mike a dictionary!
Yeah like we're the only ones.
Poor pitiful PR.
Fly tracker is NOT 100%.
It does not work like a radar screen.
We spoke with a rep from ORD today.. he told us too that this past weekend was really bad. PR too the brunt of the take offs and landings.
Face it - they have our runway number now!!
Good luck Mayor - Elect Dave!
We are all going to need it!
Gypsy-irrational comments? Hardly. It is the job of the city council to work on the issues that face the city. The OMP is certainly a matter that affects PR. Their lack of action-including Dave Schmidt-speaks volumes. They dropped the ball.
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Mike:
You disagree with those who have issues with the new runway - which is fine!! But I would expect that you at least take the time to craft and state a reasonable reason as to why.
You latest comment is freakin' hilarious!! "....like we are the only ones....". You can apply that to every single issue that PR faces or will face in the future. That means we have no right to express our concerns about anything.
I'm not saying that no one does.
It's just it's been repeated over and over and over again and some of the other statements like the one prior to my last post is just silly in itself.
What's the use of complaining about this or at least why keep repeating it over and over again?
It's not gonna do any good.
I've expressed my thoughts on various things in the past and have not repeated it so much.
I could go over the things I don't like and I might repeat it at times. Case in point, the redevelopments projects Uptown.
We can't do much about the almost completed project along Northwest Hwy, which is Target area 2, and inspite being a member of this fourm and the PW site for sometime I don't know what else can be done about the other target areas, I get the feeling it's a done deal though correct me if I'm wrong.
I've gave my reasons why I'm against most of this, mainly due to the ammount of traffic that goes through town and we don't need anymore.
I can understand wanting or needing to make changes but in my opinion they went to far.
The development is to large.
Now what if I kept repeating this constantly?
Wouldn't that get annoying after a while?
I admit most of my annoyance with the complaining of the air noise is due to the fact is while I do get bothered by it occasionally it doesn't bother me quite as much.
May that could change since they want more runways but it's just doesn't make any sennse to constantly complain all the time as I've explained in the past.
There's always gonna be air noise and it's never gonna stop so we might as well accept it.
I mean what else can you do?
You may make some difference in going to meetings and so forth but I doubt we're gonna really either stop it all or get the planes to limit the use of a certain flight pattern.
I'm worried about Mike....he seems very negative. Perhaps pills would help?
As far as Schmidt not asking about the OHare expansion meetings, I'm not sure I buy that. If the Mayor and Bach are handling it, why would Schmidt get involved? As an alderman, wasn't it his job, at the time, to worry about the people that live in his ward? Seems to me if he was spending his time worrying about people that live in other wards, he would not have been doing his job well.
Mike - You're correct when you say constant complaining isn't going to do anything. Getting involved in the issue is what can and will change things. There are citizens in this community that have spent a lot of their personal time (and money) researching the air traffic/noise/O'Hare issues. The information they have collected is amazing. There are many avenues that will lead to improvements if everyone works together. Learn more about what's going on and get involved. DOING NOTHING WILL ACHIEVE NOTHING.
Mike:
For your own sanity, I would suggest you stop coming to the blogs. In this medium, people add their thoughts on a topic, sometimes rant and sometimes repeat. That is not ever going to change. It is amazing that repitition on some of the other topics does not seem to bother you.
not sure at this point pills wouuld help. probably a straighjacket.
PRU--get the net!
Mike, I'm very happy that you only have an occasional annoyance with noise. WE are not talking about annoyance.....Get it through your thick skull that we are experiencing ROUND THE CLOCK, EXTREME...like a jet landing in the bedroom...noise. You are going to hear us repeat until jugheads like you GET IT. As for ORD-REST...good luck.....you are bieng led down the path by a Democrat.....a plant.
How about we send the Olympics to Mexico.
We can then give Frimark, Durbin, Schakowsly, and Mulligan fron row seats.
I think everyone else here is gonna need pills.
Think I'm about the only one here that's reasonable here.
Mike:
You ignore peoples positions about something that has drematically changed their lives - your comments indicate that you have done nothing to learn about the issue. You obviously do no research about possible compromises. You also obviously do not live in the Belle Plaine corridor. Your answer seems to be "stop repeating yourself and just live with it".
Yet in previous posts you fret about a grown over sign at the library??? God god who is reasonable??
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