Amazingly, last night the Flood Control Task Force managed to talk about some engineering issues!
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September 17, 2009
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14 comments:
Schmitty, what will you do when this task force of yours says fund the rebates for residents?
80 mil. and 14 yrs. Can Prk Ridge wait that long?
Anon at 12:55, the task force is only advisory, so even if they said that, the city doesn't have to do it. Besides, the only comment I've ever heard from the mayor on the issue of rebates is 'let's wait and see the findings of the flood task force, so I'm not getting where you're going with this....
$80 million?!
I can appreciate the mayors position about the city budget and waiting for the task force report. These are the experts the mayor selected though and they have already recommended funding the rebate programs.
In the videos the guy from Skokie said it took $80MM in bonds for their town to fix their flooding issues. He said also it took 14 years for all of this to get completed.
Wouldn't we be saving alot of money if we only put $400k towards rebates each year and help home owners do this work on their own? This seems like simple economics to me.
Can we finally take a close look at cesspool funding? It's worked in other communities. Cesspools are inexpensive to build and are green. We can't forget the environment.
Let's have the city mandate ownership of these forclosed houses from evil careless bankers and replace them with cesspools.
4:44:
I must admit your post confuses me so forgive me if my comment is off base.
I am not a lawyer but if a home is forclosed on and now owned by a bank the city would either have to buy the properties (several hundred thousand dollars each even in forclosure) or exercise eminent domain. Again, not being a lawyer I have no idea if this would even apply.
Here is my most important issue. I have never even heard this mentioned as a potential solution. I certainly plan on researching it. Is this something the task force is looking at? What other communities has it worked in?
Cesspools have worked really well in NY in a neighborhood known as "The Hole". I think that community is worth emulating. They are way ahead of the green curve.
Hey, I am all for being green but what I really what to know is what will it do for the flooding situation in town? One could assume that if the sewage from homes is going into cesspools that would mean less in the sewer pipes and, therefore, more room for the heavy rain last september. I find it hard to believe that would have made a difference - I could be wrong. Next I would like to know how many we would need and what it would cost. Thanks for the heads up on "the hole". I will take a look.
Anon at 3:16, I believe one of the concerns is that as each home gets a flood control system, they could be creating more of a problem for the neighbors who don't yet have a flood control system. Once everyone has a flood control system, the water still has to go somewhere. It it's being kept out of basements, (a good thing I know), but the sewers are still not capable of handling it, the water will end up on our lawns and streets. No matter what you do, at some point, you have to deal with the sewers. City money spent personal property flood control systems is money taken away from what will ultimately be needed to solve the problem.
9:10
Exactly why we need cesspool funding. Cesspools will colect that water. Eminent domain allow will us, the good people, to take foreclosed property from filthy bankers and return the land to mother nature, while solving the flood problem.
Schmitty, what will you do when your adoring fans here demand you use eminent domain so they can create cesspools all over PR?
What's with the cocky attitude
9:57?
9:10:
So how are things on the commune??
A few things yet unanswered related to "the hole". I am hoping that you can lead me in a direction to find more data about the success. So far I have found that the reason they have cesspools is because they are not connected to NYC sewer system. As a side note, the mafia likes to dump bodies there - but I digress. So you seem to be preaching the gospel of cesspools. I still cannot see how cesspools are going to solve the issue we had in September so can you point me toward where you got all this information? You are telling me that all that water we had will be captured by cesspools and slowly seep inot the ground? How many of these things are we going to have??
Lastly, your comment about bankers makes me laugh. You have some Robinhood in you - take from the banks and give to the city!! I realize it is popular to be angry at the "filthy" bankers, but it is really not accurate. Some of the homes that are forclosed on have nothing to do with evil banks but more to do with stupid people.
To Anon 10:10
Please stop with the chicken little threats that flood control devices negatively impact their neighbors. I suspect you've never attended all the city related meetings and have heard repeatedly by all trained, educated staff and paid experts that this is not the case. Further, basements are not meant to be retention pools for raw sewage. Further, city ordinance now requires all new construction to prevent this water to flow into basements. So the water will be in the streets regardless. The initial step is to get it out of basements and putting in flood control at the households without overhead sewers is a drop in the financial bucket to fix that piece of the problem quickly.
As for the remaining water in the streets, I'm confident you've neglected to do the research or attend the meetings to learn that no practicle sewer system will ever prevent water building in the streets and front lawns. That is a natural problem that will happen during signicant rainfalls/thaws. Just last Monday, we just had one near town cover how they intentially planned systems to keep the water in the streets and slowly let it drain out through the sewer systems. Flooding in the streets will happen...no amount of money can prevent it. The latest solutions are to control the flooding until you can let it drain away.
I suggest you attend meetings and listen to the educated experts on the topic rather than injecting your engineering for dummies scare tactics to prove a point.
The bottom line is we need lots of money for any type of solution. The horseshoe needs to be working on financial solutions now and then refine them once a clearer estimate comes out of detailed plans. Schmidt - don't wait for the solution before you start working on the funding. If you're working on the flooding...please get the word out.
I think you'll then see that personal flood control systems are far cheaper than anything else that's been proposed so far. If the city should fund those systems is an argument that could go on for years...much like why should I pay for public schools or the library if I never use them.
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